As posted on the calendar we will be running the 2N17X/Pilot Rock/Willow Creek trails on May 5th. Depending on interest and time we may continue on up Dishpan to Crab Flats campground.

On May 6th I will lead a trip on Holcomb Creek. We will take the Holcomb Creek and Lower Larga trails. As far as I know both of these trails are open. I will verify that information before the trip.

This is not an overnight trip, it is two separate trips back to back and those that want can camp overnight. You can come for one trip or both, it doesn't really matter.

The 2N17X/Pilot Rock/Willow Creek trails are a lot of fun, Hopefully we don't have as much vehicle damage as we had last year. If we have a large turnout we will split into a couple groups and spread out a bit. Maybe that will allow things to go a little bit smoother.


As mentioned if we have time we will continue up Dishpan/Deep Creek to Crab Flats Campground. Dishpan has a couple obstacles that are a bit more technical than the other trails. Most lightly to heavily modified Land Rovers should be able to make it. A stock truck might suffer some bruises and the drivers ego might suffer a couple bruises also when they have to get winched up the hill.

I'm going to try and prerun Dishpan sometime here in the next week or two. Contact me if you want to tag along. My schedule is reasonably flexible so I can do a midweek day if needed.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the trip. I hope to see everyone out there!

According to the San Bernardino National Forest website most all of the campgrounds in the forest are closed. They are negotiating a new contract so I guess they have to close everything. Anyone interested in camping overnight between the two runs is welcome to camp out in the woods provided they follow a few Forest Service rules.

For those that are wanting to camp I imagine we will be able to find a decent place somewhere near Crab Flats Campground.


SBNF Dispersed Camping Information

"Undeveloped or Dispersed Area Camping
Undeveloped or Dispersed areas are designated areas away from highways and development where camping along back roads or trails is permitted. Because of year-around fire danger, wood or charcoal fires are not allowed (includes charcoal in a BBQ). Chemical or propane stoves may be used if you have a free California Campfire Permit, which may be obtained at the local Ranger Station. "Know before you go" and check at the nearest Ranger Station for a map of the Remote Camping Areas and the current fire restrictions.

General Rules for remote camping:
•No wood or charcoal fires
•Chemical and propane stoves allowed with California Campfire Permit
•Camp at least 200 feet from springs, water, meadows, trails and roads
•Camp at least a quarter-mile from designated campgrounds, picnic areas, trailheads
•Camp at least a quarter-mile from private property and state highways
•Pack out all trash
•Leave no trace"


Campground Closure Information

Special Notice

The following campgrounds on the Mountaintop Ranger District are managed under contract to private concessionaire(s). The contracts are called Special Use Permits and are re-issued by the US Forest Service every five years.

The San Bernardino National Forest is in the process of reissuing a 5-year term special use permit, from 2012 to 2016, and is currently reviewing multiple proposals from businesses interested in managing these sites.

The campgrounds are currently closed and reservations will not be accepted until a new permit has been issued and the concessionaire is prepared to reopen campgrounds on the target date of June 1, 2012.

Campgrounds operated under Special Use Permit:

Barton Flats Family Campground
Big Pine Flat Equestrian Group Campground
Big Pine Flat Family Campground
Bluff Mesa Group Campground
Boulder Group Campground
Buttercup Group Campground
Coon Creek Cabin Group Campground
Council Group Campground
Crab Flats Family Campground
Deer Group Campground
Dogwood Family Campground
Gray’s Peak Group Campground
Green Spot Equestrian Group Campground
Green Valley Family Campground
Hanna Flat Family Campground
Heart Bar Equestrian Group Campground
Heart Bar Family Campground
Holcomb Valley Family Campground
Ironwood Group Campground
Juniper Springs Group Campground
Lobo Group Campground
Northshore Family Campground
Oso Group Campground
Pineknot Family Campground
San Gorgonio Family Campground
Serrano Family Campground
Shady Cove Group Campground
Skyline Group Campground
South Fork Family Campground
Tanglewood Group Campground
Tent Peg Group Campground
Wildhorse Equestrian Family Campground

We will update the website with any changes affecting the opening or closure of these facilities.

Will be joining for the runs.Going to run up clenghorn trail Friday and camp at silverwood sra.Have room for a extra truck if anyone wants to camp Friday night.

Keanan Fleck wrote:

I'll be along on sunday, have some stuff to do with the family on saturday so i'll miss pilot rock.. May try to come out sat nite and camp, we'll have to see how things go..

Hey Keanan, What are the chances of us making it to dishpan?